I've been wanting to find out what the 'bigger picture' for the war in Gaza might be, so I read this article with interest: I've been wanting to know what the true agenda behind it might be and this is certainly a different take on it that I hadn't thought of.
However, I was initially taken aback by the opening line: "Israel is massacring tens of thousands mainly Palestinian women and children in Gaza, with no end in sight" followed shortly after by "the United States.... says the Zionist state has the right to attack with no humanitarian limits, thereby sanctioning a genocide." A couple of one-sided, sweeping statements if ever I read any! Even the BBC have been more balanced in their reporting of this topic recently.
A few things to consider: if Israel is truly "massacring" civilians "with no humanitarian limits" and committing genocide, how do you explain the fact that, most unusually for a country at war, their military have repeatedly advised civilians to relocate to somewhere safer before attacks on terrorists are carried out: terrorists who routinely use their civilians as 'human shields' and value martyrdom above human life?
I don't condone all the actions carried out by Israel in the past - nor those of any government if it comes to that - but I do find it puzzling that they are currently being demonised for doing what any country would do in the circumstances: defending their citizens against an enemy that launched an unprecedented attack in which many innocent civilians were killed and 240 were taken hostage.
If the last few years have taught me anything, it is that the 'powers that be' want to create more division between people and that wars are a great way of doing that (as well as distracting us from what's really going on under the radar, the true evils we should really be eliminating from our world). So I'm surprised that someone of your calibre would want to play into their hands by adding fuel to the fire. I truly hope that my words have given you food for serious consideration.
No one believes (unless you are the US and UK) that Israel has the right of self defence such that it is legitimate to kill tens of thousands of mainly women and children,. Responses should be proportionate . Does Israel have the right to self defence? Israel was the initial aggressor since its foundation in 1948 based on war crimes of forced displacements. See Israeli author Ilan Pappe's seminal book 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.' It has shown no sign of backing down since . If it had given back occupied territories since 1967 (per UN resolutions) , and implemented the 2 state solution, Israel could claim defensive rights. However, increasing the numbers of settlers on Palestinian land, continued occupations and blockades has provoked resistance in the form of protests and the building of an underground militia. War crimes committed in the act of self defence must be avoided where possible.
I totally agree: 'War crimes committed in the act of self defence must be avoided where possible'. Presumably that cuts both ways. Therefore, please could you clarify: are you saying that Israel's (and the US and UK governments') crimes in the past - and I concede that there may have been many - justify Hamas' actions on October 7th?
And does the same fundamentalist ideology, a gross distortion of the true meaning of the Islamic principles of jihadism, justify, for example, a Hamas terrorist, Abdel-Basset Odeh, entering a hotel in a popular holiday resort in Israel in April 2002, disguised as a woman and carrying a suitcase full of explosives, walking into the dining room packed with families about to celebrate Passover and detonating the valise, murdering 30 and wounding some 140, twenty of them severely? That massacre was the culmination of the Second Intifada begun by the Palestinian Authority (PA), in which over a thousand Israelis had been murdered in terror attacks following the Oslo Accords, prompting Israel to announce Operation Defensive Shield. Have you evidence of any equivalent incident ever having been carried out by Israelis on the Arab population?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVFgqkgkzw Did Israel Steal Palestinian Land? is very informative and addresses the points you've made. I'm guessing you haven't chosen to listen to the short podcast linked in my message above. I'm deeply saddened that humanity's unwillingness to hold the paradox of opposite points of view is enabling the cabal to continue in their efforts to control us.
If you are interested in 'both sides,' please research the humanitarian impacts of the occupation, bombardments and economic blockades on Palestinians since 1967, and recall that this has been 70 odd years of Israeli oppression of a people whose land was stolen from them. As a Jew, I am deeply ashamed in what has been done to Palestinians in the name of a Jewish state. Thousands of Jews are joining such groups as Jewish Voices for Peace and Na'amoud (British Jews against the Occupation.) They are now leading protests in favour of a ceasefire. Muslims and Jews are protesting together, and it's a good thing.
I've been wanting to find out what the 'bigger picture' for the war in Gaza might be, so I read this article with interest: I've been wanting to know what the true agenda behind it might be and this is certainly a different take on it that I hadn't thought of.
However, I was initially taken aback by the opening line: "Israel is massacring tens of thousands mainly Palestinian women and children in Gaza, with no end in sight" followed shortly after by "the United States.... says the Zionist state has the right to attack with no humanitarian limits, thereby sanctioning a genocide." A couple of one-sided, sweeping statements if ever I read any! Even the BBC have been more balanced in their reporting of this topic recently.
A few things to consider: if Israel is truly "massacring" civilians "with no humanitarian limits" and committing genocide, how do you explain the fact that, most unusually for a country at war, their military have repeatedly advised civilians to relocate to somewhere safer before attacks on terrorists are carried out: terrorists who routinely use their civilians as 'human shields' and value martyrdom above human life?
I don't condone all the actions carried out by Israel in the past - nor those of any government if it comes to that - but I do find it puzzling that they are currently being demonised for doing what any country would do in the circumstances: defending their citizens against an enemy that launched an unprecedented attack in which many innocent civilians were killed and 240 were taken hostage.
I believe that one should always look at both sides of a situation before publicly voicing an opinion on it. Therefore, I implore you to do your research before discussing this further; for example. please do watch https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/338-the-sin-of-moral-equivalence.
If the last few years have taught me anything, it is that the 'powers that be' want to create more division between people and that wars are a great way of doing that (as well as distracting us from what's really going on under the radar, the true evils we should really be eliminating from our world). So I'm surprised that someone of your calibre would want to play into their hands by adding fuel to the fire. I truly hope that my words have given you food for serious consideration.
No one believes (unless you are the US and UK) that Israel has the right of self defence such that it is legitimate to kill tens of thousands of mainly women and children,. Responses should be proportionate . Does Israel have the right to self defence? Israel was the initial aggressor since its foundation in 1948 based on war crimes of forced displacements. See Israeli author Ilan Pappe's seminal book 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.' It has shown no sign of backing down since . If it had given back occupied territories since 1967 (per UN resolutions) , and implemented the 2 state solution, Israel could claim defensive rights. However, increasing the numbers of settlers on Palestinian land, continued occupations and blockades has provoked resistance in the form of protests and the building of an underground militia. War crimes committed in the act of self defence must be avoided where possible.
I totally agree: 'War crimes committed in the act of self defence must be avoided where possible'. Presumably that cuts both ways. Therefore, please could you clarify: are you saying that Israel's (and the US and UK governments') crimes in the past - and I concede that there may have been many - justify Hamas' actions on October 7th?
And does the same fundamentalist ideology, a gross distortion of the true meaning of the Islamic principles of jihadism, justify, for example, a Hamas terrorist, Abdel-Basset Odeh, entering a hotel in a popular holiday resort in Israel in April 2002, disguised as a woman and carrying a suitcase full of explosives, walking into the dining room packed with families about to celebrate Passover and detonating the valise, murdering 30 and wounding some 140, twenty of them severely? That massacre was the culmination of the Second Intifada begun by the Palestinian Authority (PA), in which over a thousand Israelis had been murdered in terror attacks following the Oslo Accords, prompting Israel to announce Operation Defensive Shield. Have you evidence of any equivalent incident ever having been carried out by Israelis on the Arab population?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVFgqkgkzw Did Israel Steal Palestinian Land? is very informative and addresses the points you've made. I'm guessing you haven't chosen to listen to the short podcast linked in my message above. I'm deeply saddened that humanity's unwillingness to hold the paradox of opposite points of view is enabling the cabal to continue in their efforts to control us.
I wish you peace, shanti, shalom, salaam.
If you are interested in 'both sides,' please research the humanitarian impacts of the occupation, bombardments and economic blockades on Palestinians since 1967, and recall that this has been 70 odd years of Israeli oppression of a people whose land was stolen from them. As a Jew, I am deeply ashamed in what has been done to Palestinians in the name of a Jewish state. Thousands of Jews are joining such groups as Jewish Voices for Peace and Na'amoud (British Jews against the Occupation.) They are now leading protests in favour of a ceasefire. Muslims and Jews are protesting together, and it's a good thing.